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Post  Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:35 pm   Back to top Go to bottom 
 The End of The World
May 21, 2011-Oct 21, 2011
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We are on the threshold of the end of the world. The end of life as we know it. We stand 10 months, 302 days, 7,276 hours from the Lake of Fire (May 21, 2011-Oct 21, 2011). Of the 6,750,000,000+ follks who will enter the Lake of Fire alive on May 21, 2011, there will be NO survivors. NONE! We are talking about the complete end of mankind forevermore!

Yet, we have most of the world scoffing and mocking the warning. Why? For the simple reason, the Lord has NOT prepared them to hear, and respond to the message. The Lord has hardened the hearts of most of the world, all they can do is scoff. No amount of evidence, proofs, coaching, can open the eyes of someone the Lord has NO plans on saving. These folks were Created to be destoyed at the end of time.

Created as, "Vessels of Wrath", so the Lord's POWER and FIERCE ANGER could be on display (Rom 9). Folks Created with NO chance of entering the Kingdom of God, as they were not hand picked, and had their sin debt paid, before the world began. Created to live with the enjoyments of this physical world, but would be the generation to face the Lord's Judgment process in their flesh.

I have written may posts on this forum. Most with tough, offensive, Biblically correct language. This was only to prepare you for what lies just 10 months away. An angry, infinite God, coming WITHOUT MERCY, who will destroy the human race forever. Yes, everything in this world will be destroyed without concern. Our loved ones. Our children. Our grand children. Our Babies. Our pets. ALL destroyed, without blinking an eye.

Yet posters on this forum write things like, there is 'no wolf.' They are in their church, and have no understanding of the times we are living in. It's really useless to keep posting to the same folks who have no spiritual discernment. I prefer to make videos on Youtube, let them go worldwide, and allow the Truth fall upon whoever. No need to keep beating the same deadhorses on this forum.

You have been warned. If you are still in a church today, you are NOT regenerated. All anyone can do is to seek the Lord's mercy. If you were Elected, He will come for you. If not Elected, you have NO possibility of being Raptured in 10 months. I pray you use your remaining 7,276 hours wisely. There are NO second chances.

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@ Witness,
you say
"All anyone can do is to seek the Lord's mercy. If you were Elected, He will come for you. If not elected, you have NO possibility of being Raptured in 10 months. I pray you use your remaining 7,276 hours wisely. There are NO scond chances."

If you are not elected and have no chance, then what is the point in doing anything? If we cannot affect or change the lottery election status before time, then why both doing anything? unless you are indicating that God can change who is elect and that if we beg and plead enough, God may change and make us elect.

You say
"I have written may posts on this forum. Most with tough, offensive, Biblically correct language. This was only to prepare you for what lies just 10 months away."

It is not Biblical truth you present, and all you do is insult, judge, mock, and condemn, none of it is done in love, as you have tried to say. (you cannot condemn, mock, or insult out of love)

You say
"It's really useless to keep posting to the same folks who have no spiritual discernment"

Thats what it is like talking to you, you are the who seems to lack spiritual discernment as you claim things such as it being impossible that Christ shed blood on the cross atoned for our sins.
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You Are NOT The Lord's Sheep
You Cannot Heart His Voice.
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John 10:26 "But ye believe not, because ye are not of My Sheep, as I said unto you."

John 18:37 "To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear Witness unto the Truth. EVERY ONE THAT IS OF THE TRUTH HEARETH MY VOICE."


Many claim to be the Lord's Sheep, but are NOT the Lord's Sheep. Satan seeded the church with weeds (counterfiets), who appear as Wheat, but were never Elected, nor had their sins paid for. This separation process of Wheat and Tares (Mat 13), is going on as I write. The process of the separation, is a series of tests. The big one being, the End of the Church Age (0033-1988). Those who claim the Church Age has NOT ended, are failing the test. There are displaying for the Lord, and to the world, that they do NOT belong to the Lord. They are NOT LISTENING to the WHOLE Bible.

The Atonement before the world began, is another test which the church folks are failing. Perfering to cling to the demonstration, rather than LISTENING to the WHOLE Bible. The Perfected Gospel, that the Lord revealed when the seals were taken off the Bible (Dan12:4; Rev 8:1), is flushing the 'weeds' out into the open. They are all over this forum, jumping up and down as their idols get smashed.

Only those whom the Lord has regenerated will humble themselves. These regenerated folks know that they don't deserve Salvation, and that they have done 0 to obtain it. In fact, they realize they are on 'death row'. The church folks write, "no wolf is coming'. There is NO fear of the Lord. Why should they fear? They have EARNED Salvation, so they are entitled to it. They are just waiting to 'cash the check'. Well, that day will never come.

Most of the world, 98-99% of the human race will enter Judgment Day (May 21, 2011-Oct 21, 2011), and there is nothing you can do to stop it. With only 1 or 2 chances in 100, only a fool is claiming how saved they are. A Wise man would consider himself unsaved, and seek the Lord's mercy. While mercy can be found. There is NO MERCY beyond May 21, 2011.
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@ Witness,
why did you not address anything I wrote? just curious.

also, I'll ask again. If you are not elected and have no chance, then what is the point in doing anything? If we cannot affect or change the lottery election status before time, then why both doing anything? unless you are indicating that God can change who is elect and that if we beg and plead enough, God may change and make us elect.
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Witness: - I pray you use your remaining 7,276 hours wisely.

Witness, accord to YOUR theology there is absolutely no reason in the world for anyone to act wisely in the remaining 7,250 hours.
It makes no difference, according to Campingworld, if you act wisely or unwisely; attend church or don't attend church.

(As pointed out so many, many times, if we have to abandon the church to be regenerated, than the WORK of leaving the church is required for regeneration.)
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I remain surprised at how poorly people seem to understand election.
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        WitnessoftheTruth wrote
Yet, we have most of the world scoffing and mocking the warning. Why? For the simple reason, the Lord has NOT prepared them to hear, and respond to the message.


WT, i was in 100% agreement with May 21, 2011. I was telling literally, just about everyone i could online, about the date based on just looking at the numerical "proofs" alone. I heard and responded to the May 21 message. I was a "true believer" just like you, for a few years. I was gung ho for May 21 and nobody could tell me that Harold Camping was a false prophet. I believed almost everything he taught about end time events, including, at the time, his latest teaching of annihilation, which made logical sense to me. I thought i had arrived at truth and all that was left was to tell everyone about the end of the church age and the end of the world. I thought i was one of the elect and on the path of Biblical truth.

But then something happened. I started to study the Bible for myself and eventually saw how the Bible does not harmonize with Harold Camping's view of what will happen on May 21 and after. As a matter of fact, i saw time clues in the text of the Bible itself that will not allow for a May 21 conclusion. Soon after i saw these unmistakable time clues in the Bible, i posted about it at my Facebook page. I've since deleted my note, but i still have it saved on my computer. Here is the study in it's entirety for the purpose of showing everyone how Mr. Camping's 5 months scenario is not supported by the Bible. This will show everyone why i was studying with those who believe the end of the church age, but disagree with the 5 months. I invite you to read it and ask yourself why the language between these verses is so similar if Harold Camping is right. If you seek the truth, then you will have no problem looking at the verses in this post and second guessing Mr. Camping's teaching. Are you trusting in a date from Biblical and extra Biblical data sources? Are you trusting in the teaching of a man regarding the doctrines related to that date? Or are you trusting in the Bible alone, that gives us time clues that clearly indicate that Mr. Camping is teaching falsely.

Here is the study in it's entirety:

I believe these passages, when compared, show that the Day of the LORD is happening, and the great earthquake is a spiritual shaking:

(Isaiah 13:9-14) Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the world for [their] evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir. Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger. And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land.

Compare with:

(Jeremiah 50:13-16) Because of the wrath of the LORD it shall not be inhabited, but it shall be wholly desolate: every one that goeth by Babylon shall be astonished, and hiss at all her plagues. Put yourselves in array against Babylon round about: all ye that bend the bow, shoot at her, spare no arrows: for she hath sinned against the LORD. Shout against her round about: she hath given her hand: her foundations are fallen, her walls are thrown down: for it [is] the vengeance of the LORD: take vengeance upon her; as she hath done, do unto her. Cut off the sower from Babylon, and him that handleth the sickle in the time of harvest: for fear of the oppressing sword they shall turn every one to his people, and they shall flee every one to his own land.

Notice how similar the first and last verses are in both passages. Here are the verses posted together, to show the similarity between them:

(Isaiah 13:9a) Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: ...

(Jeremiah 50:13a) Because of the wrath of the LORD it shall not be inhabited, but it shall be wholly desolate: ...

And these two verses:

(Isaiah 13:14b) ...they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land.

(Jeremiah 50:16b) ...they shall turn every one to his people, and they shall flee every one to his own land.

Both sets of verses are very similar. I believe these two passages are related to the Day of the LORD.

Looking at Revelation 6, we see similar language related to Isaiah 13. Here's the entire passage and then i'll compare the particular verses:

(Revelation 6:12-17) And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Notice how these two verses seem to relate:

(Isaiah 13:10) For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

(Revelation 6:12b, 13a) ...and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth...

And these two verses:

(Isaiah 13:13) Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

(Revelation 6:12a) And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; ...

Is the Day of the LORD yet to come? Is the great earthquake a literal event that will occur on May 21, 2011? When Isaiah 13 is compared with Revelation 6, the Bible indicates that the shaking of the heavens is what causes the great earthquake and the stars to fall from heaven. If the great earthquake is a literal event that will happen on May 21, 2011, i don't see how these two passages support that conclusion.

I was also comparing Jeremiah 50 with Revelation 18 and noticed that Babylon's plagues are in view in both of these verses:

(Revelation 18:4) And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

(Jeremiah 50:13) Because of the wrath of the LORD it shall not be inhabited, but it shall be wholly desolate: every one that goeth by Babylon shall be astonished, and hiss at all her plagues.

And these two verses seem to relate:

(Revelation 18:6) Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

(Jeremiah 50:15) Shout against her round about: she hath given her hand: her foundations are fallen, her walls are thrown down: for it [is] the vengeance of the LORD: take vengeance upon her; as she hath done, do unto her.

I believe Jeremiah 50 compared with Revelation 18, is showing more evidence that the Day of the LORD is happening now.

When does Christ come?

(1 Corinthians 11:25, 26) After the same manner also [he took] the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink [it], in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

Do we ignore the above two verses that indicate that God recognizes the physical eating of bread and drinking of the communion cup until Christ comes? If God recognizes the physical partaking of the bread and juice until Christ comes, then how can the church age be ended if Christ has not already come? Doesn't the Bible indicate that Christ has already spiritually come and removed the candlestick? Are there two spiritual comings of Christ? Are these six verses in Revelation, about the same spiritual coming or two spiritual comings of Christ?

(Revelation 2:5) Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly,<g5035> and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

(Revelation 2:16) Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly,<g5035> and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

(Revelation 3:11) Behold, I come quickly:<g5035> hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

(Revelation 22:7) Behold, I come quickly:<g5035> blessed [is] he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

(Revelation 22:12) And, behold, I come quickly;<g5035> and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

(Revelation 22:20) He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly.<g5035> Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Notice in all six verses about Christ's coming, the word "quickly" (same Strong's #) is present. And notice that the verse about Christ coming to remove the candlestick is among those verses.

I believe the above verses and passages are showing that Christ has already spiritually come and the Day of the LORD has already begun. The Bible indicates that Christ's coming is what initiates judgment. If Christ has already spiritually come, then how can He spiritually come on May 21, 2011 if there is one spiritual coming of Christ? I believe, Harold Camping has taught that Christ will not be physically seen in the clouds and that the coming of the Lord is spiritual. I don't know of anywhere in the Bible, where God indicates that there are two spiritual comings of Christ near or at the end of time. All this is why i'm now leaning towards the conclusion that the Day of the LORD is already happening, and the great earthquake is spiritual rather than literal.

All correction welcome,

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p.s. Had to correct my post. I never believed everything Harold Camping taught regarding end time events, although i was in agreement with the end of the church age and literal 5 months. I never bought into bones popping out of graves, though. When i studied the great earthquake, i saw how it's in the overall context of the stars falling from heaven unto the earth, indicating that the shaking of the earth is parabolic when Isaiah 13:10-13 is compared with Revelation 6:12, 13.

Also, i'd like to point out that while i believed May 21, 2011, i voiced my beliefs on message boards, but i didn't want to come across like i was better than anyone else. I tried to present the apparent numerical "proofs" and things like that, that support Mr. Camping's date, but i tried to not let strife dictate my replies to people, not that it was a problem, but people can be very insulting with words. Once in a while someone would act in an obnoxious and insulting way that would get under my skin (like comparing Family Radio to the Jim Jones cult. Jim Jones was obviously an evil man who literally murdered people by having them shot and drinking cool-aid. Harold Camping doesn't do anything like that) but for the most part, the discussions were Bible based and not with insulting words thrown around (from my end anyway). I was posting at Myspace and YouTube mostly. In retrospect, i did a whole lot of preaching a date, but Bible verses were shared and maybe that was a positive thing. Anyway, i'm not doing that anymore and my intent is to do the Lord's will if He will inspire me to do so. I'm in a state of not knowing what to believe now, but i do know Harold Camping is a false prophet now, based on what i know to be absolute truth, namely Christ's atoning work on the Cross and resurrection on the third day. The Bible definitively indicates beyond a shadow of doubt, that Mr. Camping's demonstration gospel is totally in error.
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Post  Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:18 am   Back to top Go to bottom 
The Unregenerated Will Not Bear Sound Doctrine
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@not,

The Lord has established 'tests' to try mens hearts. Those that do not belong to the Lord, fall away. Many appear to belong to the Lord. The Wheat and tares grew up together in the churches. No one knows who is who, that is, until our day. The Biblcial Truth is being used to offend those that do not belong. I remember my Aunt telling me she listened to Family Radio, UNTIL Mr. Camping started preaching the end of the Church Age (0033-1988). She could not bear the Truth, and was offended, indicating she is just among the tens of millions of church weeds.

You mention Jere 50:13-16, which is speaking about the destruction upon the churches. As do most of Jeremiah and Ezekiel. Many so-called believers reject the preaching from Mr. Camping. This should be expected, as only 1-2% of the world is actually born again, and will bear the Truth. Interesting how about 33% of the world claim a relationship with Christ. The tares in the church leadership have been promising salvation to folks, that have NO CHANCE of Salvation. MOST of those claiming Salvation today, are NOT saved. They are in for a rude awakening in 301 days.

I stand with the minority.

The Atonement is ABSOLUTELY NOT in 33 AD. This is why you fell away from from Truth. You can't bear to hear the Truth, and have clung to the idol worship of the demonstration.You have failed the Atonement test. You don't answer to me. I'm just holding up Biblical Truth in the market place, to the offense of many. You WILL answer to Christ, on the Day of Eternal Judgment, May 21, 2011.
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        WitnessoftheTruth wrote
The Atonement is ABSOLUTELY NOT in 33 AD. This is why you fell away from from Truth. You can't bear to hear the Truth, and have clung to the idol worship of the demonstration.You have failed the Atonement test. You don't answer to me. I'm just holding up Biblical Truth in the market place, to the offense of many. You WILL answer to Christ, on the Day of Eternal Judgment, May 21, 2011.


WT, whether you're saved or not and whether i'm saved or not, the Bible tells me that the time of the Cross is in fact, when the atonement occurred. You agree with Mr. Camping and say sins can't be forgiven before the atonement. If you remember, not long ago, Harold Camping taught that people couldn't be judged and sent to hell until they stand before the judgment throne. Back then, Harold Camping would have told you that eternal hell and the judgment throne are absolute truths. Ultimately, you're putting your trust in Harold Camping's claim that he is receiving progressive revelation of the Lord. How can i say that? Because of the fact that what Mr. Camping used to say was absolute truth, no longer is, according to Harold Camping. Therefore, whatever we think is absolute truth is subject to correction, which means that Harold Camping could very well be in error now. So, do you see how you've ultimately put your trust in the notion of progressive revelation as taught by Mr. Camping? How can you know what is truth if truth is always changing? Your foundation is not steady, it's an ever changing and ever shifting foundation of sand. The teaching that Christ's death on the Cross was just a demonstration is proof of this. Harold Camping has taken the foundational truths of the Bible and made them a lie. What does the Bible say in Matthew 24? Let no man deceive you. The Bible isnt the problem, men are the problem. Harold Camping is a man and nobody who knows the Bible and is publically known, agrees with him (besides Chris McCann and a couple of others). Less than one in 70 living today, will be saved? Why should we think the 200 thousand thousand is a literal number when Revelation is a very parabolic book in the Bible?
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My Trust is in God's Word
God's Word Tells us The Gospel Would be Perfected
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@not,

Sure, you can blame a man for creating doctrines out of his own head. The churches have been guilty of this for centuries. I agree, most of us grew up in a church FULL of weeds!! Including Mr. Camping.

You claim I am 'following' Mr. Camping, which is nonsense. Mr. Camping is only a teacher. He has no power of his own to control people. We can listen to what he preaches, then the burden falls on the listener to check it out. All of Campings preaching is done in the 'public square'. I'm not in a jail cell with 24/7 Mr. Camping played on the PA system.

How are you factoring in Dan 12:4?

Dan 12:4 "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the Book, even TO THE TIME OF THE END: many shall run to and fro, and KNOWLEDGE SHALL BE INCREASED."

You act like the additional Biblical Truths arrived unexpectedly. Dan 12:4 was written more than 2,500 years ago. How can it be unexpected? How can following 2,000 yr old doctrine, in light of Dan 12:4, be correct 43 weeks from the Lake of Fire (May 21, 2011-Oct 21, 2011)? When did you expect Dan 12:4 to be fulfilled?

We read in Rev 8:1, the Lord opening the seals. When? When the half hour of silence (2,300 days -Dan 8:14) began on May 21, 1988.

Rev 8:1 "And when He had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour."

You have assigned the CREATION of Biblical Truth to Mr. Camping, when it is the Lord's. We see other verses supporting the Perfected Gospel at the end of time. Such as I Cor 13:9-12:

1Cr 13:9-10 "For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is Perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away."

During the Church Age (0033-1988) we saw in part. The Perfect came on Sept 07, 1994 (Isa 11:11). The partial is DONE AWAY WITH!!

1Cr 13:11-12 "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."

We spoke as babes in the faith (during the Church Age), drinking the 'milk' (the symbols). Now, we have the 'strong meat', we put the 'milk' (the symbols) AWAY!

Most so-called Christians are stuck in the milk, by the Lord's doing. No amount of preaching, proofs, coaching, WILL EVER open someones eyes. Only the Lord can open someones eyes.

My suggestion to folks struggling with these 'new' doctrines, is to just read the Bible daily, 15-30 minutes a day. If we belong to the Lord, He will GIVE us Truth. If we don't belong to the Lord, there is NOTHING we can do to change that. Staying in the Bible daily puts us in a place for the Lord to do His Salvation work. We are at the Lord's mercy for everything in our existence. Our spiritual health, as well as our very breath.

My teengers don't want to hear from the Bible. That is to be expected, as MOST of the worlds population will enter into the Lake of Fire. I don't beat them up about May 21, 2011. They know it's coming. I just tell them to read 1 chapter a day in the Bible, no matter how they feel about ANY doctrine. If they belong to the Lord, He will come into their hearts (Ezek 36:24-27). If they don't belong (they were not Elected before the world began), they have NO chance of Salvation.

But, who is to say who is an Elect or not? The thief on the Cross is an excellent example, not to write anyone off. The Thief WAS Elected by the Lord. However, as with anyone, he never knew he was an Elect. He lived wickedly. No one would say he was a child of God by his outward behavior, but he was. In the 11th hour, the Lord gave him his new, eternal soul.

We all have this hope, no matter what we believe today. Only the Lord can straighten out our crooked theology. Many being saved today will not have time to enjoy the correct theology. We are bumpiing up against he end of time. My advise to ALL, read the Bible, pray for understanding, and wait upon Him.
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God's Word Tells us what The Gospel is He rose again the third day and appeared to Cephas
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Dan 12:4 "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the Book, even TO THE TIME OF THE END: many shall run to and fro, and KNOWLEDGE SHALL BE INCREASED."


The time of the end is when Christ offered himself a sacrifice to pay for our sins

Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Romans 5:6 Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

At the time of the cross knowledge of the gospel truths previously veiled in the OT greatly increased and the apostles went to and for across the whole world preaching the gospel of the grace of God, namely Christ and Him crucified.

Please tell us WT who speaks in Lamentations 3:55-58 ¶ I called upon thy name, O LORD, out of the low dungeon. Thou hast heard my voice: hide not thine ear at my breathing, at my cry. Thou drewest near in the day [that] I called upon thee: thou saidst, Fear not.O Lord, thou hast pleaded the causes of my soul; thou hast redeemed my life.

Whose life has been redeemed by God after calling out to Him out of a consciously under the wrath of God low dungeon ? It is Christ in His soul sorrow and death and His resurrection.

Lamentations is not , as FR claims, about earthly things, but about Christ and His soul sufferings of the cross - those who mind earthly things are the enemies of the cross of Christ:


Phl 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, [that they are] the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end [is] destruction, whose God [is their] belly, and [whose] glory [is] in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
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Post  Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:38 pm   Back to top Go to bottom 
A Bonafide Church Weed
Owned By Satan
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WitnessoftheTruth


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@One,

Yes, cling to the props as the ship sinks to the bottom of the sea. Anything you can think of to deny the Bible being unsealed on May 21, 1988. Sorry, the Church Age has been over for 22 years now. The second outpouring of the Holy Spirit (Isaiah 11:11) was on Sept 07, 1994.

Your speech declares you are failing the test, and will enter Judgment Day, now 300 days away. It's pointless to continue with you, and the rest of those worshipping the church corpse.

Lake of Fire: May 21, 2011-Oct 21, 2011
Entering: 6,750,000,000
Leaving: 0
Pattern: Nochain Flood; Sodom & Gomorrah
Source: God's Law Book, the Holy Bible


"If any man have an ear, let him hear." Rev 13:9

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Post  Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:00 pm   Back to top Go to bottom 
Lamentations 3:55-58
all those who are enemies of the cross are owned by Satan
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oneeternalgospel


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who is speaking in Lamentations 3:55-58 ? and why is he speaking this in the middle of the book you claim is the funeral for a dead church? can you answer this question according to your alleged enlightenment , the new knowledge you allegedly have , am ready to hear the exegesis.
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Post  Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:06 pm   Back to top Go to bottom 
Re: A Bonafide Church Weed
Owned By Satan
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didymus


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        WitnessoftheTruth wrote
@One,

Yes, cling to the props as the ship sinks to the bottom of the sea. Anything you can think of to deny the Bible being unsealed on May 21, 1988. Sorry, the Church Age has been over for 22 years now. The second outpouring of the Holy Spirit (Isaiah 11:11) was on Sept 07, 1994.

Your speech declares you are failing the test, and will enter Judgment Day, now 300 days away. It's pointless to continue with you, and the rest of those worshipping the church corpse.
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one: I guess he doesn't have an answer...
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