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"I have seen by divine revelation the TOTAL ANNIHILATION of this country and many other parts of the world. San Francisco will be flattened. The only survivors will be those people who are hidden in the cave that I have been shown in a vision. Those who go into this cave with me will be saved from the poisonous radio-active fallout that will follow the nuclear bomb attack. This cave is what led our church to migrate to this little valley from Indianapolis, Indiana. I have been shown that this cave goes deep into the earth. All the members of my church will stay in it until it is safe to come out." (Jim Jones quoted in Mills, 1979:128).

Date setting annihilation cults are the most dangerous to the world.

A similar cult to the Camping-ites was the Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God, out of Uganda.

"The group initially believed that the end of the world would occur on 1999-DEC-31. During 1999, members had sold their possessions, presumably in preparation for the end times when they would be transported to heaven. They slaughtered cattle and had a week-long feast. When the end did not come, Kibweteere CHANGED THE DATE to 2000-DEC-31. Later, he taught that the Virgin Mary would appear on MAR-17 and take the faithful to Heaven. Devastation would then descend upon the world and the remaining 6 billion people in the world would be EXTERMINATED." Religious Tolerance.org

Notice how similar this cult is to Campingism....they made date predictions, then when the date passed, made up new dates....just like Camping. And at their predicted dates, they predicted "annihilation." Many of these cults reject the idea that Christ will return visibly where all stand before Him. They all just preach one big annihilation.

Once their dates passed:

"A New York Times article reported that "The police originally suspected mass suicide by more than 300 followers found burned to death in a church in the town of Kanungu...But since then, more bodies have been found, a number with unmistakable signs of strangulation...Many [other] bodies have shown no sign of violence, leading some investigators to suspect mass poisoning. Increasingly, police are calling this an organized slaughter" Religious Tolerance.org

"There is a growing belief that the deaths were precipitated by failed prophecy. When the end of the world did not occur on 1999-DEC-31, some members of the sect demanded their money and possessions back. This, in turn, may have triggered the mass murders." Religious Tolerance.org

This cult is no different than the false date-setting annihilation cult called "Campingism."

One can only imagine how the Camping-ites will react, when their date-setting annihilation cult is proven wrong, either by Christ's visible return before May 21, or by their date passing.....

Flee out of this false cult, and flee to the Word of God.

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LAMBSFURY wrote

"I have seen by divine revelation the TOTAL ANNIHILATION of this country and many other parts of the world. San Francisco will be flattened. The only survivors will be those people who are hidden in the cave that I have been shown in a vision. Those who go into this cave with me will be saved from the poisonous radio-active fallout that will follow the nuclear bomb attack. This cave is what led our church to migrate to this little valley from Indianapolis, Indiana. I have been shown that this cave goes deep into the earth. All the members of my church will stay in it until it is safe to come out." (Jim Jones quoted in Mills, 1979:128).

Date setting annihilation cults are the most dangerous to the world.

A similar cult to the Camping-ites was the Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God, out of Uganda.

"The group initially believed that the end of the world would occur on 1999-DEC-31. During 1999, members had sold their possessions, presumably in preparation for the end times when they would be transported to heaven. They slaughtered cattle and had a week-long feast. When the end did not come, Kibweteere CHANGED THE DATE to 2000-DEC-31. Later, he taught that the Virgin Mary would appear on MAR-17 and take the faithful to Heaven. Devastation would then descend upon the world and the remaining 6 billion people in the world would be EXTERMINATED." Religious Tolerance.org

Notice how similar this cult is to Campingism....they made date predictions, then when the date passed, made up new dates....just like Camping. And at their predicted dates, they predicted "annihilation." Many of these cults reject the idea that Christ will return visibly where all stand before Him. They all just preach one big annihilation.

Once their dates passed:

"A New York Times article reported that "The police originally suspected mass suicide by more than 300 followers found burned to death in a church in the town of Kanungu...But since then, more bodies have been found, a number with unmistakable signs of strangulation...Many [other] bodies have shown no sign of violence, leading some investigators to suspect mass poisoning. Increasingly, police are calling this an organized slaughter" Religious Tolerance.org

"There is a growing belief that the deaths were precipitated by failed prophecy. When the end of the world did not occur on 1999-DEC-31, some members of the sect demanded their money and possessions back. This, in turn, may have triggered the mass murders." Religious Tolerance.org

This cult is no different than the false date-setting annihilation cult called "Campingism."

One can only imagine how the Camping-ites will react, when their date-setting annihilation cult is proven wrong, either by Christ's visible return before May 21, or by their date passing.....

Flee out of this false cult, and flee to the Word of God.

As TB says that "probably" the better option than any other at the commencement of the great tribulation (if you are left behind after the rapture) is suicide - perhaps if the FR folks believe that the rapture has happened on May 21st (but they evidently remain un-raptured) they may reason that its probably better to commit suicide...after all only their eternal unconsciousness awaits them rather than up to twenty weeks of Divine wrath...annihilationism is essentially nihilism - the proponents thereof can thereby justify self murder and thus murder itself

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OneEternal, on May 21, 2011, when the Rapture occurs and everything Camping has preached come true, what will you do?

Seriously. Imagine that salvation is no longer possible, and all you have to look forward to is the five months of torment when the full wrath of God will come upon all those left behind.

What will you do? Or are you too "scared" to even answer this question honestly?

Your options are: Suicide, Argue with God, Live as long as you can, or go Insane. These are horrible options but I don't see any other options, do you?

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TrueBeliever wrote

OneEternal, on May 21, 2011, when the Rapture occurs and everything Camping has preached come true, what will you do?

Seriously. Imagine that salvation is no longer possible, and all you have to look forward to is the five months of torment when the full wrath of God will come upon all those left behind.

What will you do? Or are you too "scared" to even answer this question honestly?

Your options are: Suicide, Argue with God, Live as long as you can, or go Insane. These are horrible options but I don't see any other options, do you?

No, TB, I would not commit the most grievous sins of all to avoid the wrath of God - I would seek the mercy of God in the shed blood of Christ commencing from Gethsemane through the cross for our sins, His burial and resurrection on the third day, His intercession at the right hand of the Father and repent of every sin immediately - just as I attempt to do every minute of every day as God permits - the idea that I would upon seeing the wrath of God only provoke His wrath more so with greater sin demonstrates the supreme darkness of understanding of sin and the holiness of God's wrath against sin inherent in the entire "the fires will be quenched" annihilationist mind set.

Ominously you prove Lamb's Wrath's point - if you believe you are left behind you demonstrate that you actually do contemplate the idea of suicide, self murder, and so murder, as a reasonable option - because the sin of it does not trouble you neither does the supreme absurd contradiction of the doctrine that the only options to flee the wrath of God for sin are sinful acts : undoubtedly if self murder is reasonable, even desirable in your mind, to murder others on the same premises must also seem reasonable to you.

Do not imagine but reckon that once those who preach another gospel are resurrected unto damnation they face an ETERNITY of conscious torment of the full weight of the merciless wrath of God - consider that for a moment.

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TrueBeliever wrote

OneEternal, on May 21, 2011, when the Rapture occurs and everything Camping has preached come true, what will you do?

Right , your concern is what Camping has preached , NOT what the scripture itself preaches , namely , that Christ's soul was sorrowful unto death in the Garden of Gethsemane where His sweat became as great drops of blood...that He spent for ever in hell consciously to pay for our sins...that all the unbelievers shall be like him , cast into a Lake of Fire where the FIRE IS NEVER QUENCHED....Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. - the angel in heaven in Revelation 14:6-7 does not have another gospel than that preached by the apostles. I am not concerned with "everything Camping has preached" but my only concern is to know, trust and propagate the gospel the apostles preached - to know nothing but Christ and Him crucified, by the grace of God.

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oneeternalgospel wrote

No, TB, I would not commit the most grievous sins of all to avoid the wrath of God - I would seek the mercy of God in the shed blood of Christ commencing from Gethsemane through the cross for our sins, His burial and resurrection on the third day, His intercession at the right hand of the Father and repent of every sin immediately - just as I attempt to do every minute of every day as God permits - the idea that I would upon seeing the wrath of God only provoke His wrath more so with greater sin demonstrates the supreme darkness of understanding of sin and the holiness of God's wrath against sin inherent in the entire "the fires will be quenched" annihilationist mind set.

OneEternal, you're being a little dense right now. I gave you the scenario in which Camping's interpretations are proven correct with the Rapture of May 21, 2011. This means, you LOST, and we WON. Therefore, after May 21, 2011, there is no longer any possibility of salvation with the Door of the Spiritual Ark being shut closed forever more, and all that awaits you is the five months of torment when you shall die a horrible slow agonizing death being tormented both physically and mentally suffering all the horrors of the plagues that shall be unleased, and finally falling to the ground, your corpse like dung littering the Earth never to regain consciousness again.

I conclude by your response that you like many will continue to plead to the Lord for mercy, which falls into the "Argue with God" category. Your pleas for mercy will fall on deaf ears as God himself will mock and laugh at you to scorn.

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You said:

"I gave you the scenario in which Camping's interpretations are proven correct with the Rapture of May 21, 2011. This means, you LOST, and we WON"

What if Christ returns May 21, and that part is right, but everything else is wrong!!

He returns visibly, all stand before Him, there is no 5 months, and eternal torment is true!!

What trauma for the Camping-ites!!

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LAMBSFURY wrote

You said:

"I gave you the scenario in which Camping's interpretations are proven correct with the Rapture of May 21, 2011. This means, you LOST, and we WON"

What if Christ returns May 21, and that part is right, but everything else is wrong!!

He returns visibly, all stand before Him, there is no 5 months, and eternal torment is true!!

What trauma for the Camping-ites!!

Sad. Lambsfury, you don't even realize how insignificant and inconsequential you've become in the minds of many...

Whatever credibility you might have had, as a former Calendar devotee, it's all gone. You're just a caricature now of a defeated bully. You're basically DONE.

Don't worry. Your pitiful existence will end on May 21, 2011. Though I can't be 100% sure, I think it's safe to say, God did not pick you as one of His Elect. You failed the Test too many times over.

You're just a dead carcass littering the road to Glory now....

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I guess you could not answer the question...

What if May 21 happens, and Christ returns visibly, all stand before Him and eternal torment is true?

What horror for the Camping-ites!!!

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TrueBeliever wrote

oneeternalgospel wrote

No, TB, I would not commit the most grievous sins of all to avoid the wrath of God - I would seek the mercy of God in the shed blood of Christ commencing from Gethsemane through the cross for our sins, His burial and resurrection on the third day, His intercession at the right hand of the Father and repent of every sin immediately - just as I attempt to do every minute of every day as God permits - the idea that I would upon seeing the wrath of God only provoke His wrath more so with greater sin demonstrates the supreme darkness of understanding of sin and the holiness of God's wrath against sin inherent in the entire "the fires will be quenched" annihilationist mind set.

OneEternal, you're being a little dense right now. I gave you the scenario in which Camping's interpretations are proven correct with the Rapture of May 21, 2011. This means, you LOST, and we WON.

I understood TB but you had attempted to provoke me to claim that probably the best responses to this realization of "having lost" are to sin , i.e. self murder, and I would not go there.

TB wrote

Therefore, after May 21, 2011, there is no longer any possibility of salvation with the Door of the Spiritual Ark being shut closed forever more, and all that awaits you is the five months of torment when you shall die a horrible slow agonizing death being tormented both physically and mentally suffering all the horrors of the plagues that shall be unleased, and finally falling to the ground, your corpse like dung littering the Earth never to regain consciousness again.

That unscriptural where the fires are eventually quenched idea of judgment is a stroll in the park concept compared to the scripture's revelation of an eternal torment in a fire that shall NEVER be quenched that awaits those who without repentance preach another gospel than that of the apostles : i.e. claim that Christ's soul is not sorrowful unto death in the Garden of Gethsemane where he His blood is shed for the elect's sins and endured FOR EVER IN HELL the fires of God's wrath against sin ....
Lamentations 1:13 From above hath he sent fire into my bones, and it prevaileth against them: he hath spread a net for my feet, he hath turned me back: he hath made me desolate [and] faint all the day.

TB wrote

I conclude by your response that you like many will continue to plead to the Lord for mercy, which falls into the "Argue with God" category. Your pleas for mercy will fall on deaf ears as God himself will mock and laugh at you to scorn.

There is no evidence in the holy scriptures that those ordained to eternal damnation ever beseech to the Lord for mercy based on the true gospel either before, during or after the judgment. Such beseeching is not sinful arguing with God its presenting to God and reasoning with Him based on His revealed Holy Justice to save His people from their sins through the death of Christ for ever in the pit of the eternal torments which are the wages of sin to pay for them, His burial and resurrection on the third day (and that He was seen of Cephas &c).

I can hope , even if you "won" , that as God spared the Ninevites DESPITE the precise date revealed for judgment , that He will spare myself, and my family despite all the anger of the Jonah like crowd who want the "losers" to receive no pity from God and truly argue with God against His tender mercies. In all my presenting the justice of God manifested in the bloody cross of Calvary I shall continue, I trust by the grace of God , to pray Thy will be done - which will has been manifested as subjecting those who preach another gospel than the apostles under the appellation of "accursed" and those who elected from before the foundation of the world who manifest their election through repentance and trust in the true gospel salvation realized in eternal life.

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oneeternalgospel wrote

I can hope , even if you "won" , that as God spared the Ninevites DESPITE the precise date revealed for judgment , that He will spare myself, and my family despite all the anger of the Jonah like crowd who want the "losers" to receive no pity from God and truly argue with God against His tender mercies.

You can "hope" but after May 21, 2011, there will be no more "hope".

Rev 9:6
And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

You think we Camping-ites desire your destruction? Why do we come on here warning and exhorting our enemies about May 21, 2011? We do this in love for our fellow mankind....

Please understand Rev 9:6. In those days...of the five months, all the unsaved will see the glory of the Elect, and desire to be like them. It will be like a veil which presently impedes your understanding, lifted from Mankind like Esau, when realizing what he had lost, wept bitterly seeking after his birthright.

Mankind in those days will seek after the salvation found in His Death(Phil 3:10) but will not find it.

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In all my presenting the justice of God manifested in the bloody cross of Calvary I shall continue, I trust by the grace of God , to pray Thy will be done - which will has been manifested as subjecting those who preach another gospel than the apostles under the appellation of "accursed" and those who elected from before the foundation of the world who manifest their election through repentance and trust in the true gospel salvation realized in eternal life.

Everything else you wrote is nothing more than rehashing false traditions learned from the Church. You DO NOT UNDERSTAND the Knowledge that Increased in our VERY DAY, correcting all the traditions of the Church, just as Jesus corrected the Jews of all their traditions!

I can't help you understand; only God can. Pray to him for Understanding and salvation.

Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

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@ True,
You and witness both claim that you come on here and show love to your "enemies" and that you exhort them. However, all you really seem to do is judge, insult and condemn if someone does not agree with your date setting theory. That is hardly showing love.

I am curious, how is it that you are so sure that you have truth? how is it that you can claim to know who is elect and who is not? How are you so certain.

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f3nd3r wrote

@ True,
You and witness both claim that you come on here and show love to your "enemies" and that you exhort them. However, all you really seem to do is judge, insult and condemn if someone does not agree with your date setting theory. That is hardly showing love.

I am curious, how is it that you are so sure that you have truth? how is it that you can claim to know who is elect and who is not? How are you so certain.

F3, you think I hate you?

Here's some friendly advice: as a cow in a slaughter house lined up for execution in 10 months, I suggest you worry about YOUR hide....and not worry about mine.

In all probabilty, 98% or higher, you are doomed. I'm talking to a dead man. But in love, I am exhorting and warning you all to FLEE BABYLON like Lot fled Sodom and hope God will have mercy upon you.

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@ true,
I never said you hated me, I am in no line for a slaughter house. I am keeping Christ's commandment to "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." (Matt. 28:19-20). I know where I stand, and I am bring the Gospel to you.

You are certainly not talking to a "dead man" I have never once seen you exhort anyone on here, only throw out accusations, insults, judgments and condemnations. You say you are warning me to flee Babylon, and you assume that Babylon is the church, yet you do not even know if I attend church or not. You make many assumptions, and misguided interpretations, all while judging, insulting, and condemning, there is no exhorting that I have seen from you

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f3nd3r wrote

@ true,
I never said you hated me, I am in no line for a slaughter house. I am keeping Christ's commandment to "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." (Matt. 28:19-20). I know where I stand, and I am bring the Gospel to you.

You are certainly not talking to a "dead man" I have never once seen you exhort anyone on here, only throw out accusations, insults, judgments and condemnations. You say you are warning me to flee Babylon, and you assume that Babylon is the church, yet you do not even know if I attend church or not. You make many assumptions, and misguided interpretations, all while judging, insulting, and condemning, there is no exhorting that I have seen from you

So Fendaar, why don't you tell us: Do you attend a Church or not?

Yes or no.