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Looking at a few examples in the Book of Chronicles:

"The sons of Abraham; Isaac, and Ishmael. These are their generations: The firstborn of Ishmael, Nebaioth; then Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam" I Chronicles 1:28-29

"And Abraham begat Isaac. The sons of Isaac; Esau and Israel. The sons of Esau; Eliphaz, Reuel, and Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah" I Chronicles 1:34-35

"And Jesse begat his firstborn Eliab, and Abinadab the second, and Shimma the third, Nethaneel the fourth, Raddai the fifth, Ozem the sixth, David the seventh: Whose sisters were Zeruiah, and Abigail. And the sons of Zeruiah; Abishai, and Joab, and Asahel, three." I Chronicles 2:13-16

"Now these were the sons of David, which were born unto him in Hebron; the firstborn Amnon, of Ahinoam the Jezreelitess; the second Daniel, of Abigail the Carmelitess" I Chronicles 3:1

"And Solomon's son was Rehoboam, Abia his son, Asa his son, Jehoshaphat his son" I Chronicles 3:10
"These are the sons of Israel; Reuben, Simeon, Levi, and Judah, Issachar, and Zebulun, Dan, Joseph, and Benjamin, Naphtali, Gad, and Asher." I Chronicles 2:1-2

"The sons of Amram; Aaron and Moses: and Aaron was separated, that he should sanctify the most holy things, he and his sons for ever, to burn incense before the LORD, to minister unto him, and to bless in his name for ever. Now concerning Moses the man of God, his sons were named of the tribe of Levi. The sons of Moses were, Gershom, and Eliezer. Of the sons of Gershom, Shebuel was the chief." I Chronicles 23:13-16
In every example, we see direct father son relationships...

Whether Abraham, Jesse, David, Jacob, Armam, all are direct father son relationships

The Camping friends want you to think that the sons of Amram is the "lone exception" via their satanic progressive revelations and Jamacian voodoo and witchcraft.....

Now look at I Chronicles 6:3

"And the children of Amram; Aaron, and Moses, and Miriam. The sons also of Aaron; Nadab, and Abihu, Eleazar, and Ithamar." I Chronicles 6:3

We know the sons of Aaron listed here, Nadab, Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar are the direct sons of Aaron....and in the very same verse, God lists the children of Amram, Moses and Aaron..... and the Camping friends want you to think it is not talking about a direct father/son relationship!

Look how the Camping friends run away from these truths as they know they look stupid in defending their falsehoods!!

Tom

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Tom, I wish you'd exhibit a little more nuance in your frontal assaults on the Camping friends. Just sayin'.

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LAMBSFURY wrote

The Camping friends want you to think that the sons of Amram is the "lone exception" via their satanic progressive revelations and Jamacian voodoo and witchcraft.....

Now tell us what you really think about it...

400 years in Egypt and this problem all goes away. It should be considered. The only problem is that HC loses 30 years and would need to be made back up with another exactly 30 years of error somewhere else.

Joined: 04 Mar 2009 Posts: 291

I know this has been brought up before, but I can't resist bringing it up again.

Dr. William Henry Green was a master of Hebrew and Old Testament at Princeton. In 1868 he was elected to be president of Princeton but declined to accept.

He stated in regards to the Exodus 6 genealogy "This subject may be relieved from all perplexity, however, by observing that Amram and Jochebed were not the immediate parents, but the ancestors of Aaron and Moses."

This was just a little bit of progressive revelation vodoo coming out of Old Princeton!

Brad

Joined: 03 Dec 2009 Posts: 1073

Of course Dr. Green thought that way.

Why?

Because he believed Israel was in Egypt 430 years per his writings...

In order to make that doctrine fit, you need to do some serious massacring of the Bible....such as making the father of Moses "missing."

Even if one would conclude that Amram is not the father of Moses, which is false, then who is????????

This is where you say "uh, uh, it is not revealed"

That God would reveal the fathers of many in I Chronicles, people only named once in the Bible, but one of the most important people used by God (Moses) suddenly has a missing unrevealed father.

Yeah ok!

Whatever you say Camping friend.

Since the 430 years begin with Abraham as Galatians 3 states, as God looks to the chronology of the LXX in Exodus 12:40, it means that your precious little calendar that you and others have been worshipping for years is false!!

And eternal torment is coming!!!!

To your dismay..

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Brad wrote

Dr. William Henry Green was a master of Hebrew and Old Testament at Princeton. In 1868 he was elected to be president of Princeton but declined to accept.

He stated in regards to the Exodus 6 genealogy "This subject may be relieved from all perplexity, however, by observing that Amram and Jochebed were not the immediate parents, but the ancestors of Aaron and Moses."

He postulated this as a possibility as a way to try to explain how 8600 Kohathites were numbered at the exodus. The fact that it is possible does not make it actual or even probable.

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Brad: Dr. William Henry Green was a master of Hebrew and Old Testament at Princeton. In 1868 he was elected to be president of Princeton but declined to accept.

He stated in regards to the Exodus 6 genealogy "This subject may be relieved from all perplexity, however, by observing that Amram and Jochebed were not the immediate parents, but the ancestors of Aaron and Moses."

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Didymus: He postulated this as a possibility as a way to try to explain how 8600 Kohathites were numbered at the exodus. The fact that it is possible does not make it actual or even probable.

Neither does the fact that Dr. William Henry Green was a master of Hebrew and OT at Princeton and decined to accept the position of President of Princeton make it actual or probable. It isn't possible either, according to the Bible.

1Ch 6:3 And the children of Amram; Aaron, and Moses, and Miriam. The sons also of Aaron; Nadab, and Abihu, Eleazar, and Ithamar.

1Ch 23:13 The sons of Amram; Aaron and Moses: and Aaron was separated, that he should sanctify the most holy things, he and his sons for ever, to burn incense before the LORD, to minister unto him, and to bless in his name for ever.

It's sad that progressive revelation from institutions like Old Princeton and their masters has replaced progressive revelation from sola scriptura.

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Brad wrote

I know this has been brought up before, but I can't resist bringing it up again.

Dr. William Henry Green was a master of Hebrew and Old Testament at Princeton. In 1868 he was elected to be president of Princeton but declined to accept.

He stated in regards to the Exodus 6 genealogy "This subject may be relieved from all perplexity, however, by observing that Amram and Jochebed were not the immediate parents, but the ancestors of Aaron and Moses."
This was just a little bit of progressive revelation vodoo coming out of Old Princeton!
Brad

Noting all the fuss over an old time 'church person' Question

Camping friends are taking Dr. Green's words out of context and using them to support their untenable position. Here again is Dr. Green's conclusion on the matter:
''On these various grounds we conclude that the Scriptures furnish no data for a chronological computation prior to the life of Abraham; and that the Mosaic records do not fix and were not intended to fix the precise date either of the Flood or of the creation of the world.'

I suppose we cannot be too harsh on these misguided people as Camping friends are very much accustomed to quoting the Bible out of context as well. I would politely suggest Camping friends please not try quoting church people unless they understand the subject at hand, unless of course they wish to continue to embarass themselves.

Regards, Peter

Joined: 04 Mar 2009 Posts: 291

Tom,

Yesterday, you challenged Didymus to prove one example from Chronicles that were not direct father-son relationships. I couldn't think of any myself, so I headed over to D. Stevens site to get a shot of progressive revelation.

It didn't take five minutes to see that he documented that the sons of Judah in 1Chronicles chapter 4 verse one were not direct sons. From Genesis 46:12 and Joshua 7:1, we learn that Hezron was a grandson of Judah and that Carmi was his great grandson!

Brad

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Brad,

You did not answer the question...

You feel that God mentions 4x about Amram being the father of Moses, so we can conclude that Amram is not the father of Moses..

If Amram is not the father of Moses, then who is?

The "oh he is missing" argument simply is false!

Joined: 04 Mar 2009 Posts: 291

Tom,

I did in fact answer your challenge to prove an example from Chronicles that were not direct sons. Granted, I went to D. Stevens site for help but I did answer your challenge.

Moses's parents are missing. Don't you find it striking that Amram and Jochebed are not named in the Exodus chapter 2 account of Moses's birth?

With all all of the information in the Bible about the generations from Levi to Moses, is it not striking that not once is qara shem ever used in any of the relationships?

And that we are given time information only for Levi-Kohath-Amram-Aaron/Moses in Exodus 6?

Camping nailed it cold!

2011 is 7000 years from the flood!

Brad

Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 800

Brad,
Can you and 2Peter3_4, address my question, about a gap between Kohath and Amram, on the next subject thread here, thanks.
Jim B.

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JimB,

Absolutely, there was a gap between Kohath and Amram! No doubt about it!

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Brad

Moses parents are not named in Exodus 2..

It is revealed in Exodus 6!

That is true progressive revelation

God reveals in Exodus 6 who the parents of Moses are not named in Exodus 2

It's that simple!

Camping's latest date will fail as his 10 past dates before this did.

So much for your progressive revelation!

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Brad wrote

JimB,

Absolutely, there was a gap between Kohath and Amram! No doubt about it!

Show me the verses that prove that Amram was definitely an immediate son of Kohath, like Numbers 26 says that Amram and his wife Jochebed had 3 children together. There may be a verse like this, I don't know. I searched that Bible for every instance of Kohath and Amram, and did not see any verse that implied this. I am honestly admitting I am not sure, so please show me any verses like this.

Thanks,
Jim