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Joined: 31 Dec 2009 Posts: 506

I keep hearing about "still faithful" churches where the "faithful remnant" congregates, but no one ever tells me where to find one.

Those who insist that we should be worshipping in the literal churches every Sunday might want to publicly announce these still faithful congregations. Name your church here. Also, you pastor's name, the program schedule, the church creed or statement of beliefs, the location, including directions by car and public transportation, telephone number, and also the church's website, if any. Please, no "sermon audio" links. I would like to hear the sermon along with the congregation in real time.

All recommendations are encourgaged. Feel free to submit a friend's or relative's church which you have visited and thought was faithful. This list will provide a very helpful public service for anyone seeking a still faithful church "home".

Joined: 10 Feb 2008 Posts: 656

Sunrise Community Evangelical Free Church, Atlantic Beach, Florida (Jacksonville). Corner of Atlantic Blvd. and Acquatic Gardens ( 100 yds north of Atlantic Blvd.)

904 249 3030

sccjax.org

Adult training: Sunday morning 9:15 a.m.
Teaching and Worship: Sunday morning 10:15

Current adult training: Secular worldviews vs Biblical worldviews.

You'll need your Bible if you're going to attend services. We have a significant emphasis on the reading of Scripture.

Small groups, through-out the week

Joined: 05 Nov 2009 Posts: 813

Fixedheart,
I'm not going to take your bait here by posting information about my church publicly. If I do, what happens next? You go to my church's website and then announce to everyone that it's offering "strange fire" if you see a potluck dinner scheduled once a year? I'm not going to have my church mocked by your impossible standards. The problem is your idea of a "faithful" church is a "perfect" church. Since no such churches exist nor have ever existed I don't know what the point of this whole exercise really is.

Certainly if there is anyone on this forum that is sincerely looking for a faithful church, then they should let us know the area in which they live. If it's anywhere near where I live I will certainly PM them with information about my church.

Frank

Joined: 31 Dec 2009 Posts: 506

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Frank: Fixedheart,
I'm not going to take your bait here by posting information about my church publicly. If I do, what happens next? You go to my church's website and then announce to everyone that it's offering "strange fire" if you see a potluck dinner scheduled once a year?

Forget the website. That's why I said "no sermon links". One should be able to scroll down this List, see a church name and forward that church name to everyone they know in that area. I get a lot of email "fowards" which you might consider much less urgent. What's wrong with publicly sharing the name of your church and its location on this website?

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Certainly if there is anyone on this forum that is sincerely looking for a faithful church, then they should let us know the area in which they live. If it's anywhere near where I live I will certainly PM them with information about my church.

It sounds to me like you're afraid of something. You claim that people need to be in the churches and yet the information is not forthcoming. Don't keep your treasure a secret. Shout it out to the world, Frank. JBrown was willing and his church home may expand on account of his generosity.

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Caveat: I admit that Sunrise is absolutely chock full of sinners. If you visit, keep that in mind.

Joined: 31 Dec 2009 Posts: 506

jbrown really shouldn't have, but since he posted his church's website, let's highlight some facts for those who are seeking a faithful church in the Atlantic Beach area.

These are the "Featured Events" listed through March 14th at the Sunrise Community Evangelical Free Church, Atlantic Beach, Florida:

Saturday, 2/27/10, 7 p.m. Jim Rickard: Church Leadership and Finance Seminar. Location: Sanctuary

Sunday, 2/28/10, 9 a.m. Jim Rickard: 14 Steps to Financial Freedom. Location: Sanctuary

Sunday, 2/28/10, 10:15 a.m. Jim Rickard: 3 Convictions for Biblical Stewardship. Location: Sanctuary

Sunday, 2/28/10, 6 p.m., Jim Rickard: Estate Planning Seminar & Pot Luck. Location: Sanctuary

Sunday, 3/14/10, 1 p.m. Membership Class Cookout. Location: Atlantic Beach.

My question is, do you actually have "pot luck" in the Sanctuary?

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From the Sunrise Community Evangelical Free Church (Atlantic Beach, Florida) Statement of Beliefs:

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We Believe:

...That the true Church is composed of all such persons who through saving faith in Jesus Christ have been regenerated by the Holy Spirit and are united together in the body of Christ of which He is the Head.

...That only those who are thus members of the true Church shall be eligible for membership in the local church.

My question:

How do the ruling elders of the Sunrise Community Evangelical Free Church of Atlantic Beach, Florida determine whether or not a member has been regenerated by the Holy Spirit and united in the body of Christ of which He is the Head?

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We absolutely have "pot luck" in the church building, generally quarterly, after the teaching/worship service.

After all, the building is just some wood, cement, glass, paint etc. Nothing holy about the building that houses the congregation of my little church. (We also have a stove, 2 microwaves, coffee pots, two refrigerators and assorted other kitchen devices. It's practically sinful.)

Surprise of surprises, we do have fellow believers come and share of their ministries, from other places. Some are excellent, some less so.

As weak sinners, we need all the help we can get. I speak as one less righteous than most.

P.S., Even worse our worship team that leads us in musical celebration of God's holiness and greatness have INSTRUMENTS; including a keyboard, drum set, bass guitar and acoustic guitar.

P.S.S. Did I mention we're a bunch of needy sinners? Tis true ya know.

But it gets worse!

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At my church, it is darn near impossible to find a tie worn by the men who lead and/or attend. People who have a higher standard of attire might well be put off by the casual attire of our church near the beach.

Not many of the women wears dresses or skirts, though they are perfectly welcome to do so. Mostly they seem to be in slacks.

The role of an ELDER is limited to men.

If a visitor ultimately wants to join, we do question them about their salvation experience. That's part of the process.

Joined: 31 Dec 2009 Posts: 506

Yes, it certainly did get worse. jbrown, are you a plant for the Camping friends? I can almost hear them cheering you on as they read your posts. 'Go jbrown! Go man, go! Depart-Out is true!'

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We absolutely have "pot luck" in the church building, generally quarterly, after the teaching/worship service.

The way your church's Upcoming Events were written, it sounds like you have pot luck in the Sanctuary during the financial seminars.

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After all, the building is just some wood, cement, glass, paint etc. Nothing holy about the building that houses the congregation of my little church. (We also have a stove, 2 microwaves, coffee pots, two refrigerators and assorted other kitchen devices. It's practically sinful.)

Ah, don't be so hard on yourself. It's your home away from home. You need the conveniences.

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From the Sunrise Community Evangelical Free Church (Atlantic Beach, Florida) Statement of Beliefs.

We believe:

...That the true Church is composed of all such persons who through saving faith in Jesus Christ have been regenerated by the Holy Spirit and are united together in the body of Christ of which He is the Head.

...That only those who are thus members of the true Church shall be eligible for membership in the local church.

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jbrown: If a visitor ultimately wants to join, we do question them about their salvation experience. That's part of the process.

Visitors who want to join are asked about their salvation and they say they are saved. This is the process to determine if the visitor is a member of the "true Church". Did you notice that even your church's Statement of Beliefs makes a distinction between the "true church" and the "local church"?

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The role of an ELDER is limited to men.

Score for the women.

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P.S., Even worse our worship team that leads us in musical celebration of God's holiness and greatness have INSTRUMENTS; including a keyboard, drum set, bass guitar and acoustic guitar

Sounds very hip and cool.

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P.S.S. Did I mention we're a bunch of needy sinners? Tis true ya know.

Who can ever say otherwise?

Frank and all other church members are smart to refuse to name their church and its location. This is what happens when they do.

Joined: 28 Jun 2008 Posts: 657

Fixedheart wrote

Please, no "sermon audio" links. I would like to hear the sermon along with the congregation in real time.

Fixedheart, I would ask that you not insult ones intelligence by your sleight of hand maneuvering. In real time? Your insincerity is obvious. When you decide you are sincerely ready and seeking, please go to sermonaudio.com where you can listen to thousands of sermons from faithful preachers both past and present. There you will also be able to find the churches of the ministers featured. I should remind you this is not a game. You hold to Harold Camping's heresy whist at the same time condemning him in hypocrisy.

Joined: 31 Dec 2009 Posts: 506

No, Peterx. You are sending me on a circuitous detour because you are afraid to publicly announce the name and location of the church you attend which you believe is faithful. No one should have to listen to taped sermons in order to find a faithful church when church members here can simply add their churches to this List.

We heard the talk. Now walk the walk. Name and location, please?

Joined: 05 Nov 2009 Posts: 813

Fixedheart wrote

It sounds to me like you're afraid of something. You claim that people need to be in the churches and yet the information is not forthcoming. Don't keep your treasure a secret. Shout it out to the world, Frank. JBrown was willing and his church home may expand on account of his generosity.

I'm not afraid of anything Fixedheart. We all know that you did not start this thread in order to help people find faithful churches. You did it to bait people. You tell me "forget the website", and then you immediately go to the website of JBrowns' church and do exactly what I predicted....you even brought up the potluck! Listen, I am here to discuss the teachings of Harold Camping, not to defend my church against your judgmental attacks. I have nothing to hide about my church. For any questions about my church that I deem to be sincere, I will answer them. What I'm not going to do is let you amuse yourself by subjecting the good name of my church to your hyper-critical and cynical commentary. Sorry, but I'm not going to take the bait.

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Frank: I'm not afraid of anything Fixedheart. We all know that you did not start this thread in order to help people find faithful churches. You did it to bait people. You tell me "forget the website", and then you immediately go to the website of JBrowns' church and do exactly what I predicted....you even brought up the potluck! Listen, I am here to discuss the teachings of Harold Camping, not to defend my church against your judgmental attacks. I have nothing to hide about my church. For any questions about my church that I deem to be sincere, I will answer them. What I'm not going to do is let you amuse yourself by subjecting the good name of my church to your hyper-critical and cynical commentary. Sorry, but I'm not going to take the bait.

You are free to label this List as baiting, but others might label this List as an open request to know exactly where all these faithful churches are located. Family Radio is easily found on the internet. You church people demand that we must all attend these churches which you have found, but you are unwilling to openly state where they are.

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I have nothing to hide about my church.

You refuse to state the name and locaton of the faithful place you worship in twice on Sundays which means you have a lot to hide. At the risk of sounding insincere, it must be pretty bad there, Frank.

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Fixedheart wrote

You are free to label this List as baiting, but others might label this List as an open request to know exactly where all these faithful churches are located.

All right "Others".....if you are out there please make yourself known and I will by all means let you know anything you wish about my church.

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You refuse to state the name and locaton of the faithful place you worship in twice on Sundays which means you have a lot to hide. At the risk of sounding insincere, it must be pretty bad there, Frank.

I have nothing to hide and no it's not that bad (yes I think they had a potluck about 2 years ago!). Ask anything you want about my church and I will answer it. One reason I prefer not to mention my church by name (unless by PM) is that I wish to keep my location anonymous. I have close family members who are "Camping friends" and I have reason to believe one of them may be a frequent visitor on this forum. I don't live in an area that gets FR by normal radio signal so my location would probably reveal my identity to that person. I'm just going to leave it at that. I certainly don't feel I need to answer to you or anyone else here about my family relationships and my reasons for wishing to remain as anonymous as possible.