Depart Out • Harold Camping • End of the world • church age • Family Radio • View topic - Luke 6:25

Joined: 16 Jun 2010 Posts: 644

@fail-the-test,

You say, "According to you - does this mean that Harold Camping was spiritually dead until late 2007 when he began teaching annihilationism?

I can also provide quotes where Mr Camping is teaching that the gospel is summed up in John 3:16.

Was Mr Camping spiritually dead when he wrote and said this?"

Does the fact you don't understand something make it a lie? No, it means you don't understand!!

How would I know if, and when, Mr. Camping was regenerated? The Seals were only taken off the Bible 22 years ago. The Holy Spirit poured out 16 years ago. Is knowing the correct Judgment process a requirement of Salvation? Did David know what the correct Judgment process was? Abraham? At some point, the Lord opened Mr. Camping's understanding, as well as thousands of others, to the correct Jugment process: Total annihilation, on Oct 21, 2011. Ecc 8:5 prophesied this would be the case.

Everything in the Bible is True. But whether we understand that Truth, is a whole different matter. We understand John 3:16, in light of what the rest of the Bible says about Salvation. Like the 50+ verses speaking to Election. Gal 2:16, not saved by the the obedience to God's commands (Law).

Joined: 26 Jun 2010 Posts: 212

WitnessoftheTruth wrote

Total annihilation, on Oct 21, 2011. Ecc 8:5 prophesied this would be the case.

Actually, Ecclesiastes 8:5 is not in the future tense like Mr. Camping claims. I believe David Hoff, who left Family Radio recently, Biblically proves this in his study on that verse:

http://www.isannihilationtrue.com/eccl8a.htm

Joined: 03 Jul 2010 Posts: 367

NotaDemonstration wrote

WitnessoftheTruth wrote

Total annihilation, on Oct 21, 2011. Ecc 8:5 prophesied this would be the case.

Actually, Ecclesiastes 8:5 is not in the future tense like Mr. Camping claims. I believe David Hoff, who left Family Radio recently, Biblically proves this in his study on that verse:

http://www.isannihilationtrue.com/eccl8a.htm

Young's Literal Translation does justice to the present tense of the verb "know" of Isaiah 52:6

"Therefore doth My people know My name, Therefore, in that day, Surely I [am] He who is speaking, behold Me."

Joined: 16 Jun 2010 Posts: 644

Pro 28:5 "Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD (hand picked, born again Elect) understand all things."

Dan 12:10 "Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and NONE of the wicked shall understand; but the Wise (Hand picked, born again Elect) shall understand."

2Pe 2:12 "But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed (Rom 9), speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption."

Joined: 03 Jul 2010 Posts: 367

WT wrote

Pro 28:5 "Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD (hand picked, born again Elect) understand all things."

Dan 12:10 "Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and NONE of the wicked shall understand; but the Wise (Hand picked, born again Elect) shall understand."

2Pe 2:12 "But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed (Rom 9), speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption."

2 Peter 2:1-3 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

Those who do not receive the preaching of Paul's gospel are those who do not understand , whose eyes are blinded

Act 28:23-27 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into [his] lodging; to whom he [Paul][/b] expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and [out of] the prophets, from morning till evening. [/b]And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not. And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Those who reject the gospel of the apostles are not converted, understand not, and this is of the Lord who has blinded them through the preaching of the true gospel. Isaiah 6:9.10

Joined: 16 Jun 2010 Posts: 644

@one,

It must be fun dwelling in ignorance!! For that is were you choose to dwell. Acts is not the test of Biblical Truth today. The WHOLE Counsel of God, in light of the seals being removed from the Bible in 1988, and the Holy Spirit being poured out to APPLY that Word to the Choisen One's, IS the TEST!!

Looking back, as your about to crash into a brick wall, is of little value. Denying Biblical Reality won't change your collision course with eternal Justice on May 21, 2011.

Joined: 03 Dec 2009 Posts: 1052

You said:

"The WHOLE Counsel of God, in light of the seals being removed from the Bible in 1988"

No verse in the Bible says seals were opened in 1988!!!

That is your own delusions as you wrap your arm around Camping.

That is an example of "progressive revelation" that violates Rev 22:18

Notice, you will never quote a verse that says the seals were opened in 1988!! You just divert to "church weeds" comments, because you "know" the Bible does not teach what you declare

Joined: 03 Jul 2010 Posts: 367

WT wrote

@one,

It must be fun dwelling in ignorance!! For that is were you choose to dwell. Acts is not the test of Biblical Truth today. The WHOLE Counsel of God, in light of the seals being removed from the Bible in 1988, and the Holy Spirit being poured out to APPLY that Word to the Choisen One's, IS the TEST!!

Looking back, as your about to crash into a brick wall, is of little value. Denying Biblical Reality won't change your collision course with eternal Justice on May 21, 2011.

The WHOLE BIBLE teaches Christ and Him crucified :

Acts 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

and it speaks of THESE DAYS of the pouring of the Spirit since Pentacost

Acts 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

When Christ was resurrected the seals were opened

Revelation 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

and knowledge increased when the Holy Spirit was poured out at Pentacost Acts 2:14-21 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all [ye] that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is [but] the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; and it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: and on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: and I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke: the sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: and it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Joined: 16 Jun 2010 Posts: 644

@Lam,

You seem like you may know a few verses from the Bible. Yet, you post this comment:

"No verse in the Bible says seals were opened in 1988!!!"

Do you expect to see a verse that says, "The 7 seals come off on May 21, 1988?"

I know that's what the carnal minds on this forum expect, but even a Biblical novice knows Biblical Truth is submerged in the Bible. Only by the Lord's prior action, will anyone understand Biblical Truth (Lk 24:45). Because you dwell in spiritual darkness, and don't understand something, dosen't mean for a second it's not True. Only a small % of mankind has any clue what's going on around them today.

Those that reject Truth, are failing the test, and indicating they are bones, ready to be buried. On May 21, 2011, the burial will begin in earnest. The information is posted on-line. Your refusal to come to that Truth, indicates you don't belong to the Truth (Christ).

@one, As usual, you're 2,000 years behind the curve. You have 42 weeks for the Lord to get you up to speed. You too are failing the test. Lot's of spiritual carcases on this forum.

Joined: 03 Jul 2010 Posts: 367

WT wrote

@one, As usual, you're 2,000 years behind the curve.

Acts 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

So pray tell what days have all the prophets from Samuel foretold of? Or is this another verse which means , since 1994, the opposite of what it did prior ?

Had not Christ already opened the seals millenia before 1994 ?

Revelation 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Did knowledge increase when the Holy Spirit was poured out at Pentacost or was that a falsehood of the apostle Peter ?

Acts 2:14-21 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all [ye] that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is [but] the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; and it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: and on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: and I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke: the sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: and it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Joined: 16 Jun 2010 Posts: 644

@one,

Only the Lord can help you. You are hopelessly stuck in the first century, looking to the Apostles, for todays End-Time revelations. You won't find it there. Better ad this verse to your search. I'm pointing you to Truth, but you keep rejecting it. A sure sign of a tare.

Isa 11:11 "And it shall come to pass IN THAT DAY (an end-time reference), that the Lord shall set his hand again THE SECOND TIME (the second outpouring of the Holy Spirit, NOT Pentacost 33AAD) to recover the remnant of his people (The FINAL in gathering during the Latter Rain), which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from THE ISLANDS OF THE SEAS (the whole earth)."

Joined: 05 Nov 2009 Posts: 805

WitnessoftheTruth wrote

Only the Lord can help you. You are hopelessly stuck in the first century, looking to the Apostles, for todays End-Time revelations.

"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Jude 1:3

Witness,
Tom brought this verse up in another thread (which the Camping friends had no explanation to offer of course). So I'll bring it up here again. According to Jude 1:3, how many times does the faith get delivered to the saints? Once or twice?

Joined: 16 Jun 2010 Posts: 644

@frank,

Pretty simple. When you have Truth (Christ), no part of the Bible is in confliict. Only the idol worshippers run into conflict. Like those claiming the Atonement was in 33AD.

"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Jude 1:3

The Common Salvation of the Saints, was when Christ hand picked His Beneficiaries, and died body AND soul, before the world began. This two step process, the Election, and DEATH of the testator, Guaranteed that NONE of the Beneficaries in the Lord's Will, could be added OR subtracted. This was the time, and process, that the Common Salvation took place.

Of course, the Salvation would NOT be APPLIED to a specific individual until they came into existence, and at a time of the Lord's choosing. Just as folks had NO CHOICE in becoming a Beneficiary, folks have NO CHOICE in being designated 'Vessels of Wrath". Becoming a Vessel of Wrath, to endure the 153 days of fury (for as many of those 153 days that you can live), will be the fate most people alive today face. The Common Salvation only applies to about 1-2 % of the entire human race. Sorry church folks, most you you were created to be Vessels of Wrath. Too bad your 'religion' sold you out.

Joined: 05 Nov 2009 Posts: 805

WitnessoftheTruth wrote

@frank,

Pretty simple. When you have Truth (Christ), no part of the Bible is in confliict. Only the idol worshippers run into conflict. Like those claiming the Atonement was in 33AD.

"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Jude 1:3

The Common Salvation of the Saints, was when Christ hand picked His Beneficiaries, and died body AND soul, before the world began. This two step process, the Election, and DEATH of the testator, Guaranteed that NONE of the Beneficaries in the Lord's Will, could be added OR subtracted. This was the time, and process, that the Common Salvation took place.

Of course, the Salvation would NOT be APPLIED to a specific individual until they came into existence, and at a time of the Lord's choosing. Just as folks had NO CHOICE in becoming a Beneficiary, folks have NO CHOICE in being designated 'Vessels of Wrath". Becoming a Vessel of Wrath, to endure the 153 days of fury (for as many of those 153 days that you can live), will be the fate most people alive today face. The Common Salvation only applies to about 1-2 % of the entire human race. Sorry church folks, most you you were created to be Vessels of Wrath. Too bad your 'religion' sold you out.

Nice try Witness but Jude 1:3 is not talking about when we were elected. It's talking about when the faith was delivered to the saints. The saints did not exist before the world began. They did not receive the faith before the world began. You're engaging in typical Campingesque Scripture abuse where you are twisting Scripture verses into a pretzel to escape their obvious meaning.

Joined: 03 Jul 2010 Posts: 367

WT wrote

"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Jude 1:3
The Common Salvation of the Saints, was when Christ hand picked His Beneficiaries, and died body AND soul, before the world began.

If Christ died in both body and soul in eternity did He die on the cross in His body or was that only a demonstration of his body's death ? And if it was not a demonstration but an actual death of the body then on what basis do you deny that His soul also died in the Garden of Gethsemane (at the latest) ? And if Christ did die in both soul and body in time on what basis can you deny that this was a redemptive death, particularly if Christ had already died and resurrected from the dead in his body and/or soul in eternity HE COULD NOT HAVE DIED AGAIN in His body and/or soul FOR THAT IS THE ESSENTIAL NATURE OF A RESURRECTION unto life, and is the basis of the assurance of eternal life , that once resurrected in body/soul your body/soul cannot die again : for one lives or is conscious in that realm of one's person for ever more. To claim Christ was resurrected and then subsequently died casts the whole of salvation into doubt for it would suggest that even the saints could die again in body and/or in soul even after their respective resurrections (including thus subsequent to glorification).

Hebrews 9:26-28 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Romans 6:9,10 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

Did Christ rise on the third day before the first day of Genesis 1:5 ?

Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.