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True Believer and others.

Can one be part of the elect and disbelieve HC's timeline? Whadda think?

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2 Peter 3
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

1 Thess 5
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

There's no chance a person who scoffs at May 21, 2011 can be one of God's Elect.

Joined: 10 Feb 2008 Posts: 654

TB, if you simply don't believe that May 21, 2011 is the date of the rapture, can you still be part of the elect?

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Just the opposite...

Any elect person will reject HCs progressive revelation dates..

As they don't want to violate Rev 22:18-19, Acts 1:7-8, Matthew 24:36

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Tom, I would believe that some followers of HC are indeed a part of the elect.

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jbrown wrote

Tom, I would believe that some followers of HC are indeed a part of the elect.

Why do you say this? Why do you also say, if May 21, 2011 happens, you Churchites will also be raptured?

When May 21, 2011 happens, every "Churchite" will be left behind who HEARD the warnings to depart out but did not. Every Scoffer who heard the warning of May 21, 2011 but scoffed, will be left behind.

Read Ezek 33

2 Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:
3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.

Since you have heard of May 21, 2011, and have read Camping's books, and listened to Open Forum for months and months, and are totally well informed about all this, yet still scoff, the Bible says your blood will be on your own head. You will DIE on May 21, 2011.

Likewise, if May 21, 2011 proves to be false, then every Camping-ites is a false unsaved cult member. Why do you say you believe some Camping friends are still part of the Elect even if May 21, 2011 proves false?

You can't have it both ways. Either we are Sheep who hears God's voice, or we are deceived.

Also, I notice you take this entire thing way too lightly, almost like a game. You're like some "clown" but there's nothing more serious or important than this issue of May 21, 2011. You need to get a grip and face the reality that in just 15 months, it's all over.

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TB, I'm a huge fan of grace; not the perfection of the believers. So I think believers can, and do, make huge mistakes, are mislead and at times follow false prophets.

I think they also drink, chew and sometimes date those who do.

So the elect are the elect. I'm not sure why God chose me, no great model of righteousness here, but choose me He did.

My salvation is based upon God's grace not the accuracy or inaccuracy of May 21, 2011.

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jbrown wrote

TB, I'm a huge fan of grace; not the perfection of the believers. So I think believers can, and do, make huge mistakes, are mislead and at times follow false prophets.

I think they also drink, chew and sometimes date those who do.

So the elect are the elect. I'm not sure why God chose me, no great model of righteousness here, but choose me He did.

My salvation is based upon God's grace not the accuracy or inaccuracy of May 21, 2011.

Did you read Ezekiel 33:2-5? Those are GOD's words, not mine.

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I did read Ezekiel 33.

Ain't one word in their about May of 2011; believe me I looked.

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TB, I'm a huge fan of grace; not the perfection of the believers. So I think believers can, and do, make huge mistakes, are mislead and at times follow false prophets.

I think they also drink, chew and sometimes date those who do.

So the elect are the elect. I'm not sure why God chose me, no great model of righteousness here, but choose me He did.

My salvation is based upon God's grace not the accuracy or inaccuracy of May 21, 2011.

You may be a "fan" of grace and who isn't fan of grace? The entire world thinks God, if one exists, is a kindly old grandfatherly figure of a man half dozing on his chair in heaven who will with a wink and a smile, allow just about anyone into the pearly gates of heaven.

What you believe is a fantasy. Your opinions are virtually worthless because they are not based on the BIBLE but your own drunken notions of what salvation is.

You sir, are nothing more than a hopeless clown, and on May 21, 2011, REALITY will turn that ridiculous smirk upside down on your clown face.

Get ready to weep, and gnash your teeth. You better stock up on boxes of Kleenex and Mouthguards!

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TB,
You do not realize it, but you are basing your salvation on your Bible knowledge, which is not perfect. This is very dangerous, and in fact is not the Gospel message of the Bible. I can detect that you are a fairly new believer, and you believe you have the ultimate truth, I was once like this. I tell you very nicely, that your zeal is misplaced, and you will be very dissapointed and depressed in less than 15 months.

Believing or not believeing in a correct date has nothing to do with salvation.

Believing or not believing in a false date has nothing to do with salvation.

Ephesians 2:
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

It seems to me like you are boasting about your Bible knowledge, and not giving Christ the glory for suffering on the Cross.

Pride goes before a fall my good friend, you will fall in less than 15 months. Please ask Christ Himself to pick you up when this happens, because no man and no dates will be able to help you.

Jim

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TB, it's just hard to take Harold very seriously.

I don't smirk at the followers of Harold's predictions. I believe it will be devastating to them if/when May 22 rolls around and everybody is still here.

But I warn you; Harold WILL explain it away. He will never say he was wrong.

That's his history.

TB, don't bet the farm on HC being correct. Give yourself some wiggle room. That's all I'm saying.

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JBrown, to give myself "wiggle room" would be a very unwise thing to do. Either one commits oneself wholly and acts accordingly, or one does not believe it at all. There's no middle ground. You can't hedge your bets on this thinking that you can cover all the bases. That's the wrong way. You either believe like Noah did, or YOU DIE.

JimB, I'm not a new Christian. Far from it. I was around in 1994 also, so I consider myself a "veteran". And Understanding is VERY important. Dan 12:10. I don't know what gave you the impression that I was being "proud". Proud of what? No JimB. The truth is, I'm a very troubled but SANE person. Is it "prideful" of me that I get a little frustrated when all day I'm surrounded by zombies who don't understand a word I say? It seems like, apart from the Message groups, and JUST my ONE LOVED ONE in REAL LIFE who actually takes anything I say seriously, everyone else is a zombie. I don't know how else I'm supposed to act except very troubled when Judgment Day is just 14 months away. From my perspective, everyone who hears the warning of May 21, 2011 and dismisses it - THEY are the crazy ones. Sorry guys this is not a dream. This is all very real. 587BC + 1290 x 2 = 1994AD. 4990BC + 7000 = 2011AD. May 14, 1948AD = Israel.

See you all on May 21, 2011. Hope you guys take this more seriously and act like the Ninevites who fell to the ground and repented in fear.

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TrueBeliever wrote

This is all very real. 587BC + 1290 x 2 = 1994AD. 4990BC + 7000 = 2011AD. May 14, 1948AD = Israel.

The Christian Church's Timepaths

Harold Camping + depart out + 2011 + law gospel = Heresy

1000 Camping followers + 7 months x 2 = 1000 confused Camping followers Question

May 22, 2010 + 365 days + 1 day (allow for possible leap year) + 85 forum members = May 22, 2011 forum discussion on what went amiss Embarassed

Regards , Peter