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Joined: 15 Jan 2011 Posts: 595

Somehow all the date-setting doesn't really bug me much. While it's a challenge to dissuade the slow learners, most of them have a psychological need to do it.

My personal anti-Campingism is directed against doctrines that claim non-Camping Christians worship Satan. That sort of apostasy directly aligns Mr Camping with Satan's work in causing division, fear and hostility among the family of God.

I also notice a distinct absence of love in Mr Camping's message. I will not be saddened to see his lifework crumble away and I do not find it tragic that he has survived to watch it happen.

Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 39

jimthompson wrote

Somehow all the date-setting doesn't really bug me much. While it's a challenge to dissuade the slow learners, most of them have a psychological need to do it.

My personal anti-Campingism is directed against doctrines that claim non-Camping Christians worship Satan. That sort of apostasy directly aligns Mr Camping with Satan's work in causing division, fear and hostility among the family of God.

I also notice a distinct absence of love in Mr Camping's message. I will not be saddened to see his lifework crumble away and I do not find it tragic that he has survived to watch it happen.

Yep, absolutely! The MAJOR destruction is from the "doctrines" that were promoted - the date-setting was merely a catalyst/excuse for them.

Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 39

Brad N wrote

jimthompson wrote

Somehow all the date-setting doesn't really bug me much. While it's a challenge to dissuade the slow learners, most of them have a psychological need to do it.

My personal anti-Campingism is directed against doctrines that claim non-Camping Christians worship Satan. That sort of apostasy directly aligns Mr Camping with Satan's work in causing division, fear and hostility among the family of God.

I also notice a distinct absence of love in Mr Camping's message. I will not be saddened to see his lifework crumble away and I do not find it tragic that he has survived to watch it happen.

Yep, absolutely! The MAJOR destruction is from the "doctrines" that were promoted - the date-setting was merely a catalyst/excuse for them.

...oh yes, and one more thing I keep in mind.....

If someone is truly guilty of the "unpardonable sin" (i.e. promoting the declaration that the works of God (Holy Spirit) are the works of Satan), then it is NOT forgiveable....i.e. it will be EVIDENT by simply looking at their fruit (i.e. works) - if they return & rebuild what they destroyed, then (in the deepest of heart) they really did NOT believe that "the works of God are the works of Satan - otherwise, the answer is clear.

BTW: Remember one of their significant damning heresies - "The Holy Spirit is NO LONGER AT WORK IN THE CHURCH (of Christ), but rather SATAN is ENTHRONED in the Churces and RULES in them".

Wow....if you are still on the Camping side of the fence, run for cover! Remember what happened to Dathan & his company (when they CONTINUED in their rebellion).

Joined: 08 Mar 2011 Posts: 368

Brad N wrote

I know I've been away for a while - very frustrated with the energy & time Camping friends spend polluting others & making them "a twofold child of hell" than themselves.

I still contend that TB, UKPerson, & all others like them need to realize:

!! They burnt down the house !!

Therefore,

!! Their true repentence is contingent upon THEM REBUILDING IT!!!

Remember God's law: e.g. a thief who steals has to pay back MORE than what was stolen.

Until these Pharisees show that kind of activity, then their repentance is HIGHLY DOUBTFUL!

Oh yes, there is also the humanity side - i.e. feelings of despair, feelings of guilt, etc.

But REMEMBER: Godly repentence results from GODLY confession of one's SIN and DECLARING IT in as much vigor and detail and support so that those HEARING IT (which means you HAVE to stay engaged...and NOT go hide in a closet in shame) ... CAN BE HEALED!!!!

Ay, yi, yi, yi.....

Anyone who bought in to Campingism and conducted themselves in a less than Christian manner should realize they have issues to work out. What caused you to behave in such a manner? That you used fear tactics, intimidation, false witness and heretical proclaimations should not be dismissed easily. A simple "we were wrong" seems insufficient.

There is, at least on this board, a flippancy, if you will, concerning the actions of the Camping friends leading up to the two dates, especially May 21. They declared all who dared to question his dates, interpretations, and progressive revelations to be unsaved. Their behavior was at times reprehensible. Their attacks were unjustified, sometimes nonsensical (like the accusation of "believing in your belief"). They told many they were "toast," and claimed the right to "derisive laughter." We were told to mourn for ourselves as our eternal fate had been sealed and there was no way to escape annihilation. Their fate was also sealed as, based on their spiritually opened eyes, they were of the elect.

It's not surprising followers of a man who refuses to be accountable for his actions follow suit. He has corrupted their minds. I speak from experience when I say his teaching does something to you-making you think you're above everyone else, all the while publically claiming you don't. He teaches you to see everyone as unenlightened if they disagree with you in any way. If I see "high places" everywhere I turn, I have nowhere to turn but to Camping, convinced he and I are of the few who have no such places. He tapped into something inside of you that liked the feeling of power and superiority he gave you. It was never of God, it was of Camping-and you; God shares his glory with no man.

Joined: 05 Nov 2009 Posts: 1604

Excellent points, Chris. It's easy to blame everything on Camping and move on. I tried to do that back in 1994. But I finally woke up one morning and realized that there must be something wrong about my own heart that it was so drawn to his teachings in the first place. I was forced to come face to face with the pride and judgmentalism within my own soul. While I'm glad for every Camping-ite that has finally "seen the light" in regard to Harold's calendar, I hope they don't fail to take this opportunity for serious self reflection.

Joined: 22 Sep 2011 Posts: 37

Brad, Chris, Frank, everyone,

I dare say that folks like TB, Hyperspace, UKPerson, etc. need repentance. They have been wounded.

In fact anyone who has thought like a Camping friend has to reconstruct their whole world view. The Camping friend world view uses the same language as Christians but it is NOT a Christian view.

Now, changing your world view is VERY hard. We have to give these folks a lot of time and support where we can.

Paul

Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 39

paul wrote

Brad, Chris, Frank, everyone,

I dare say that folks like TB, Hyperspace, UKPerson, etc. need repentance. They have been wounded.

In fact anyone who has thought like a Camping friend has to reconstruct their whole world view. The Camping friend world view uses the same language as Christians but it is NOT a Christian view.

Now, changing your world view is VERY hard. We have to give these folks a lot of time and support where we can.

Paul

Hi Paul!

Yes, they need support - AND in that support, they can NOT be helped with meek reproofs - I AM A LIVING WITNESS TO THAT. If it were NOT for the VIGOUROUS reproofs that I (thank GOD!) could not escape from my family & Christian family, I would NOT have been able to become a source of healing to those thus deceived.

Yes, changing your view is VERY hard - but we can NOT give up, and we need to MAINTAIN VIGOR in pulling them back on track.

Now, I'll be the first to say that I am FAR WORN OUT debating with the Camping friends (I haven't been around for about 6 months). But, having said that, the path BACK for them remains the same, and the BIBLICAL path is one of repentance that is made ALIVE through restitution & vigourous REPAIR (on their part) of the damage they have done - especially in the s DOGMAS they preach.

Anyway, yes Paul - hello and nice to meet you!

Joined: 28 Mar 2009 Posts: 3314

BradN, you're ridiculous. and so are your false charity Christian brethren who hypocritically seek only blood.

Again, I do not know why Oct 21 appears to have failed, but my REST and HOPE is still in the Lord.

We are living in very interesting days, the fulfillment of the Bible itself.

The Rapture will occur in only a BLINK of an Eye so God can bring about the Rapture at the very last moment.

I wish I knew why God tarried on Oct 21 but perhaps others are correct that the Rapture will take place tonight, or even tomorrow, Sunday.

But even if nothing happens tonight, or tomorrow, the Lord is still my strength. Everything I learned I still hold to because they are the TRUTH!

Like I said, we are living in very interesting times.

May the Lord's perfect will be done!

Joined: 10 Feb 2008 Posts: 2060

TB, glad you haven't totally left us yet. I am always pleased to see you, truely.

HOWEVER, "Again, I do not know why Oct 21 appears to have failed,"

TB, Oct 21 didn't "appear" to fail; it failed.

[BTW, it is now Oct 23rd in Jerusalem]

Joined: 28 Mar 2009 Posts: 3314

Praise Jehovah my SHIELD and my LORD!

Pr 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

I trust in the WORD OF GOD! The year 2011 is a special year because it is the LAST YEAR!

-7000 years from Noah's Flood!

-1978 years from 33AD. 2x989. Jesus said, I will drink of this cup anew with you. This will occur in the year 2011.

Mt 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.

Mr 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

Lu 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

-7x7x7x7 years from 391BC

I'm reading the OT and no WONDER God says, FEAR NOT, repeatedly!

Ex 14:13 And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which he will shew to you to day: for the Egyptians whom ye have seen to day, ye shall see them again no more for ever.

Isa 51:7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.
8 For the moth shall eat them up like a garment, and the worm shall eat them like wool: but my righteousness shall be for ever, and my salvation from generation to generation.

This is talking about RIGHT NOW!

Indeed, the unsaved will be eaten up ! But the righteous will live FOREVER MORE!

I will lean upon my LORD AND SAVIOR! JEHOVAH GOD!

Praise the Lord!

Joined: 28 Jun 2008 Posts: 1335

It is generally understood the road to repentance which each one of us must travel is commensurate with our particular situation and the sins which we have committed not only against God but also against our fellow men. This principle holy John the Baptist vigorously preached exhorting sinners to repent particularly of particular sins: ‘And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then? He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise. Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do? And he said unto them, Exact no more than that which is appointed you. And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.’ Luke 3:10-13.

This particular repentance of which John speaks is two-fold; it is first a repentance in the heart; having understood our fault in that we have offended God we are deeply sorrowful and do grieve over our sin. This inner change of heart and mind consists of the first part of our repentance. But genuine repentance, if it is to be true, will be accompanied by outward practical works of contrition; this according to the Word which confirms genuine inner repentance by its outward fruit – ‘bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance.' Luke 3:8.

We inquire therefore as to the specifics of the practical application of the Word in the context of campingism and its blasphemous heresies. What is it that former camping followers must do in order to bear fruit acceptable to God and worthy of true biblical repentance. In arriving at a scriptural application we ought to bear in mind the moral Commandments which Christians will increasingly keep with delight when they are in Christ by the grace in which they now stand. The first five Commandments of the Decalogue are holy moral requirements which man owes to God; the second set of five Commandments are the holy requirements which man owes to their fellow man. So it is we find in the moral Law of God the sum of the holy Commandments which is to love the Lord our God and our neighbour as ourselves.

Our first requirement regarding repentance therefore is the seeking of forgiveness from God and thereafter to reconcile ourselves with our neighbour if we have committed offense. This is further amplified by our Lord when he instructs us saying: ‘Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.’ Matt 5:23-24. Before us we find in His holy instruction that while we do in fact go to God first, He directs us back to our brethren seeking reconciliation and thereafter our gifts to God are finally received. Therefore if our repentance is to be genuine it must include the reconciliation of ourselves with our brethren whom in this instance we have falsely accused and by which we have grieved the Holy Spirit. Half-hearted repentance not in conformity to the revealed will of God in His Word is unacceptable to our Heavenly Father.

So it is that you former camping follower, whatever your condition now, however far you have come in your path to genuine repentance, must now in your heart according to the Word seek in prayer and meditation the way forward that you may truly arrive at that repentance which is good and holy and thorough, acceptable unto God our Father. As it was with these humble people who came to John the Baptizer asking what to do, it must also be with you dear confessor if indeed you have the Holy Spirit, for He will lead you to genuine repentance.

What shall I do Lord? What shall I do that I may truly repent of this error? How are we to repent of campingism thoroughly and completely so that healing and reconciliation may come? For some the way may be longer and harder than others. But in each case it is observed that the way does not need to be as long as we imagine it to be if we will but heed Christ and act with fruits worthy of repentance even today. Let us never say as evil servants or foolish virgins that our Lord delayeth His coming therefore we have much time to repent. Let us begin even now on the path of holy actions which is fruit worthy of true repentance.

Firstly, dear reader, we must confess our sin to God alone in our closet and know that we have committed a great offense against Him. We have sinned greatly in discrediting Christ and His Kingdom before the eyes of the world.

Secondly, dear reader, you must reject Harold Camping and his false teachings completely. He is a proven false prophet and a teacher of many damnable heresies upon whom abideth the wrath of God. We must immediately turn from hearing or reading his false teachings lest we too meet his dreadful fate. We must rid ourselves of his heretical books and pamphlets in an act of obedience and cleansing. In all of this there must not be sentimental attachments, as we are prone to make in our weakness, but we must be bold and courageous knowing full well the will of God for it is better to obey God than man.

Thirdly, we must make restitution to those whom we have offended through our testifying to a lie. We speak here of our loved ones, our friends and co-workers. Practically, it is incumbent upon us to sincerely apologise and to explain our error so that Christ’s name may be upheld both in the ears of Christians and unbelievers alike. In certain cases it may be prudent to remain silent as further discussion may inflame a situation and lead to further contentions. In cases where our actions have led to more serious consequences, we ought to labour to restore that which has been lost if at all possible. Let us open our hearts in penitent prayer and meditation to know wisdom in these matters ever desiring healing and reconciliation by the grace of God.

Fourthly, we must labour to restore ourselves into the fellowship of the saints in His visible Church. Now this I recognise will be the most difficult for some as it is where many are ensnared and will not come to full repentance. Such foolish insolence and pride will destroy those who continue to have the spirit of the heretic in them; it will normally lead them to fall away if they choose to cut themselves off from the Church, which is able through pious and learned ministers to guide them to security in Christ if indeed they so yearn for it. I have expounded elsewhere of the importance of the local congregations of Christ's Church, which is the pillar and ground of the truth, and where we may grow in the fellowship of the saints, as is the teaching of the Word.

Many of us have witnessed revisionist camping-ites waxing worse and worse in their errors which they entertain and which eventually will grow into a mass of cancerous leaven infesting the entire soul unto damnation. It is thus of critical importance to return to the Church as soon as possible. We are never to delay our repentance till tomorrow. By God's grace we must strive to overcome the sinful habit of self-righteousness and judgmentalism which continues to haunt unrepentant camping-ites. There is no perfect congregation - all are full of sinners like you; yet there are many which strive to be perfect as their Heavenly Father is perfect and with such we may fellowship in good conscience, developing our gifts and serving Christ and His people by a faith which worketh by love.

If we are not ready to join ourselves in fellowship immediately then we are to work on that which our hearts and minds are currently able to bear. We ought to avail ourselves of Christian materials, such as sermons and holy instruction by lawful ministers of the Word, past and present. A very good place to start on our path to His Church is hearing sermons on sermonaudio.com. By this we shall not only receive wholesome instruction but also prepare our hearts for our return to a local congregation. Christian, the Lord desires to have you return to Him and to His people with whom you may grow in faith, in love and good works by His Spirit. A prodigal son is a son indeed if he will genuinely repent of his sins and return to his Father. May it be thus with you dear friend.

Joined: 22 Sep 2011 Posts: 37

TrueBeliever wrote

I trust in the WORD OF GOD! The year 2011 is a special year because it is the LAST YEAR!

-7000 years from Noah's Flood!

-1978 years from 33AD. 2x989. Jesus said, I will drink of this cup anew with you. This will occur in the year 2011.

-7x7x7x7 years from 391BC

TrueBeliever,

Peter just gave us an extended talk on repentance. He is right. We need to see works (and words) "meet for repentance".

The greek word for repentance is metanoia which comes from two words,

* meta - change
* nous - mind

BUT! The word nous does not mean your intellect. It means that part of your soul that perceives the world and God.

Repentance is not an intellectual exercise, it it a re-seeing of reality.

Your recent words show me that you are not in the slightest repentant. You are disappointed but not repentant.

The Camping hermeneutic is not an "alternative method" it is rank heresy because it poisons all of the Bible. If you continue to view Scripture as a 4-dimensional Suduko puzzle (with embedded crossword puzzles) you will never understand Christianity.

Please WAKE UP. You have been utterly deceived by a heretic who rivals Arius as a destroyer of Christianity.

WAKE UP, my friend, WAKE UP. Harold Camping has been wrong in absolutely everything that he has predicted. A batting average 0f .000 doesn't even qualify him to read Scripture much less to tell us how to understand it!

WAKE UP!

I am praying for you.

Joined: 13 May 2010 Posts: 202

TrueBeliever wrote

Praise Jehovah my SHIELD and my LORD!

Pr 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

I trust in the WORD OF GOD! The year 2011 is a special year because it is the LAST YEAR!

-7000 years from Noah's Flood!

-1978 years from 33AD. 2x989. Jesus said, I will drink of this cup anew with you. This will occur in the year 2011.

Mt 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.

Mr 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

Lu 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

-7x7x7x7 years from 391BC

I'm reading the OT and no WONDER God says, FEAR NOT, repeatedly!

Ex 14:13 And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which he will shew to you to day: for the Egyptians whom ye have seen to day, ye shall see them again no more for ever.

Isa 51:7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.
8 For the moth shall eat them up like a garment, and the worm shall eat them like wool: but my righteousness shall be for ever, and my salvation from generation to generation.

This is talking about RIGHT NOW!

Indeed, the unsaved will be eaten up ! But the righteous will live FOREVER MORE!

I will lean upon my LORD AND SAVIOR! JEHOVAH GOD!

Praise the Lord!

Call me a tare, weed, whatever you want. I trust iin my Lord, and Saviour, Jesus Christ. I expect the Rapture/End soon.

Joined: 22 Sep 2011 Posts: 37

UKPerson wrote

Call me a tare, weed, whatever you want. I trust iin my Lord, and Saviour, Jesus Christ. I expect the Rapture/End soon.

I won't call you anything! I really hope that the Lord returns today or soon (Maranatha!) but the Christian life is NOT about when the Lord returns but how we need to be living until He does.

That hasn't changed in 2000 years.

Joined: 28 Mar 2009 Posts: 3314

UKPerson wrote

Call me a tare, weed, whatever you want. I trust iin my Lord, and Saviour, Jesus Christ. I expect the Rapture/End soon.

If you trust in the Lord, then I hope you are indeed abiding in His Word, NOT just in regards to the Biblical Calendar but in your actions in all areas of your life.

Proverbs 6
16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Wonderfully, there is a God above who is a discerner of thoughts and intents of the heart. He is not fooled and he will judge everyone according to their deeds.

Whether Judgment Day is tomorrow, or 50 years from now, I will always walk according to the Word of God. I will never apologize for my beliefs because they are true!

Praise the Lord!